Virgin Islands Travel Forum

BOYCOTT MANDATORY TIPPING ESTABLISMENTS

March 12, 2008 11:45AM
Registered:
01/06/2006

167 Posts

lee,

Feb.07 we were at Paradise Point, a place I love and visit often, when on Island, and my wife and a friend ordered Bushwackers and we had lunch. Well the waitress brought the wackers in those silly little ceramic souvenir cups instead of the usual 16oz plastic cups. I asked her why and she said most people like them and they get to keep the cup. I think it was 4 or 5 dollars more per drink that way. And you get less to boot. I objected and had her replace the drinks. When we got the bill the souvenir cups were still on there which increased the bottom line and also the 15% tip that I, for the first time noticed on the bill. The waitress got a tude when I asked her about it so I deducted the cost of the souvenir mugs and the 15% tip. Left the remainder in cash on the table and meandered out . I waited for her to pick up the bill but she did not confront me about it. I still love the place and won't hold one waitresses actions against them. Bottom line, she screwed herself out of my usual 20% + tip.

March 12, 2008 01:30PM
avatar
Registered:
03/28/2006

1,581 Posts

Bob, they'll do the same thing at Duffy's for the those fancy ceramic glasses they have. If you ask for any drink they just assume that's what you want. Learned my lesson last time and now I make sure I ask for plastic cups.

"I want to wear flip flops for the rest of my life!"

March 12, 2008 02:45PM
Registered:
09/19/2005

3,082 Posts

bobcside: I'd pretty much bet that this wasn't the waitress's call but the management's instructions which she was following. I know that's certainly the practice at Duffy's. I think the whole thing - mandatory tipping UNLESS for a large party with patrons advised accordingly, and fobbing off on unwitting customers dime a dozen "souvenir" (made in Taiwan?) containers at a huge profit - stinks.

March 12, 2008 02:47PM
avatar
Registered:
01/18/2007

98 Posts

I kind of agree that the staff should earn their tip, but I also understand that on some occasions they could bust their ass and still not be tipped, so I can see both sides. I have had crappy food but good service so do you tip for that? It is not the wait staff's fault that the cook sucks! Also I have had a wonderful steak, but crappy service, do you tip for that? I always tip, but it is not always the same amount, I look at all of the factors. I know that if I am at a busy place that the service might be spotty, because they are running around, but if I am the only table I don't want someone standing next to me the whole time circling like a buzzard. I can understand why they are forcing your hand at tipping, but I think it will only make the staff lazy, because they will no longer have to earn it, but it is not up to me, and if I am forced to pay the 18%, and the staff goes above and beyond, they they Will be rewarded with more. If the service is crappy, then they will get what I was charged as a tip and nothing more. If you are a good tipper to start with and you work some numbers then you will see that this is not really a big deal. I have done two examples below.

I am a beer drinker so I can relate to being at a bar! For every beer I get, I leave at least 1 dollar, now lets do the math. In July a Budweiser at Secret Harbor was $3.00, if they would have included 18% tip on the bill they would have received a .54 tip. That is .46 less then what I normally leave. What is the big issue with .54? Say you saw this tip was included on your bill and you didn't tip extra, you are saving .46 each beer. After 8 beers all of the money in tips you saved, would be enough for another beer, including .54 tip, plus you would have .14 extra in your pocket. All of this math is making me thirsty!

Now on to dinner. My wife and I ate at Blue Moon Cafe and out total bill was around 100.00. The service was excellent and the food was too. Now if they had forced an 18% tip I the bill would have been $118.00. We tipped $30.00, if you don't want to tip extra you would have saved $12.00. Which if you look above is 3 Budweisers plus included tip with 1.38 left over.

I guess what I am trying to say is that if you crunch the numbers it might not be that bad.

Some people feel the rain. Others just get wet. - Bob Marley

March 12, 2008 03:19PM
Registered:
10/17/2006

284 Posts

Hey Beer hunter-GREAT point,if you ask me. As I mentioned before, I too, consider myself to be a good tipper. I've been bartending for years,and even though I'm no Donald Trump, I still over tip-especially after a few cold ones!

March 12, 2008 03:32PM
avatar
Registered:
03/28/2006

1,581 Posts

Beer, I had to laugh and almost get out my calculator while reading your post big grin

I noticed that you have a Duffy's shark tank in your avatar. Did you want that bowl? I think that's another story because it only comes that way...right? shy or embarrassed

"I want to wear flip flops for the rest of my life!"

March 12, 2008 05:41PM
Registered:
10/25/2007

108 Posts

Should have kept my mouth shut I suppose, but a great debate nonetheless.......................my ONLY point here is OFFER THE CHOICE.......

GO VOLS, Maybe a double basketball title this year.........................................

Lee
March 12, 2008 08:19PM

Quote
bobcside
lee,

Feb.07 we were at Paradise Point, a place I love and visit often, when on Island, and my wife and a friend ordered Bushwackers and we had lunch. Well the waitress brought the wackers in those silly little ceramic souvenir cups instead of the usual 16oz plastic cups. I asked her why and she said most people like them and they get to keep the cup. I think it was 4 or 5 dollars more per drink that way. And you get less to boot. I objected and had her replace the drinks. When we got the bill the souvenir cups were still on there which increased the bottom line and also the 15% tip that I, for the first time noticed on the bill. The waitress got a tude when I asked her about it so I deducted the cost of the souvenir mugs and the 15% tip. Left the remainder in cash on the table and meandered out . I waited for her to pick up the bill but she did not confront me about it. I still love the place and won't hold one waitresses actions against them. Bottom line, she screwed herself out of my usual 20% + tip.

Bob,

We were also there in Feb 07 and they served us the Bushwackers in the souvenir glass. One of the others in my party paid that bill and now I'm wondering about the tip thing.

They were "sorry" but they were out of the souvenir glasses this past Feb. and we told them we didn't want them anyway. I guess they can't get enough people to initiate the purchase of them so I guess they just serve and charge for them now.

Lee

March 12, 2008 09:26PM
Registered:
10/06/2005

849 Posts

What constitutes good service? What's good to me or the waitress may not be good to somebody else.

To me the best service is the "service" you get at those cafeteria-style establishments in the south where you pick out your own food and drink, and don't have to wait. I can also see what's in it, so I can avoid things I don't like. The waitress keeps bringing the baskets of hot bread and iced tea, and I'm in hog heaven.

So since that's not available here, I just consider the tip as the price I pay for not feeling like cooking, and I always tip more than 18%.

March 13, 2008 10:25AM
Registered:
01/06/2006

167 Posts

STT, You may be right but I have been there many times and only once had the souvenir mug problem. This past Feb.= no problems at all but maybe that is due to the "shortage" like lee mentioned above. All in all, still one of our favorite spots.

March 13, 2008 02:18PM
Registered:
09/20/2007

266 Posts

I guess it's just the way I am but when someone TELLS me to do or not do something I will go out of my way to do just the opposite. So, Dylan, If you wish to BOYCOTT any establishment, you go right ahead. Please don't yell at me to follow your lead though.

Thank you

"I got a drink in my hand; I got my toes in the sand."

March 14, 2008 07:10AM
Registered:
12/26/2006

231 Posts

I was going to comment but by the end of this thread I forgot what it was about. So since it is my day off I think I will just go downstairs to the pool and have a beer. happy Do I have to tip myself? As for no tip required places I still like Tickles and Hook Line and Sinker.
Jay

March 14, 2008 09:01AM
Registered:
10/25/2007

108 Posts

Toes,

I don't recall yelling at anybody for ANYTHING! I don't believe I even know you to tell you the truth...........................................Look, this is a sore issue for me just as I see it is for lots of others, and there has been great debate on this thread concerning this issue. I believe that at one point or another the majority of folks posting on this thread have been in food service, so we all kind of understand the delima (sp?) of the server. The location of shipwreck is ideal to make a bunch of money if you're a server worth your salt.

Personally, I'm with Jay, I do Tickles pretty regularly. The service is not so bad and the drinks are great, besides, I can bring my puppy!

Have a great weekend--------------------------

March 14, 2008 04:19PM
Registered:
09/20/2007

266 Posts

CAPS = YELLING
While I agree that mandatory tipping will cause me to avoid an establisment, I also avoid doing what others insist that I do.
You have a nice weekend also.

"I got a drink in my hand; I got my toes in the sand."

March 15, 2008 07:50AM
Registered:
08/28/2007

155 Posts

Some people simply type with all caps because it's easier for them and need to be gently told about the caps thing. That said, I was recently in Benny Iguana's and had the dreaded 18% added to my bill. I would have tipped more and, in fact, did but the drunken guys at the next table tipped on top of the 18% so it was a great day for that waitress! I would have clued them in but they were quite obnoxiously drunk at barely noon. I say just read your bill, this thread is running out.

* * Poohwear * *

March 20, 2008 08:31PM
Registered:
01/20/2005

396 Posts

I think whether to tip or not and how much if so should be MY prerogative based on quality of service received...... not mandatory.

March 21, 2008 09:25AM
Registered:
10/25/2007

108 Posts

Quote
Patrick
I think whether to tip or not and how much if so should be MY prerogative based on quality of service received...... not mandatory.

EXACTLY....................this is my whole point, give people the choice.

March 21, 2008 09:54AM
Registered:
06/27/2007

15 Posts

I normally tip 20%. when I see a mandatory 18% added to my bill I just give them the 18% instead of 20%. So they lose out.

March 23, 2008 04:27PM
Registered:
10/06/2005

849 Posts

This is on AOL today - a slideshow of "What Waiters Don't Like About You" (Or something like that). It's the counter to a previous story "What We Don't Like About Restaurants" (Or something like that).

"IF YOU CAN'T TIP, DON'T EAT OUT

Quote: "Oh and here's a little tip for those of you who don't know: we don't just want tips for our pocket, we want 'em for the food that Uncle Sam taxes US to feed you. That's right, I get taxed for what I sell. So if you order a huge meal, and then sheepishly tell me that you're sorry but you just don't have enough for a tip, I may smile and say, "That's ok, just get me next time." (Which is exactly what I do.) But inside I'm thanking you for giving me the privilage of paying for part of your meal, and for working for you for free. I'm sure my kids will too."
"Does anyone realize what a waitress/waiter gets paid an HOUR!?!? I work in a restaurant that is like Eat n Park. Make ALMOST $3.00 an hour for wages, but HAVE to pay TAXES on $4.35 an hour! If I do not "bust my butt" and try to get AT LEAST 15% TIP from a table, I am LOSING money!"

Wanna tip us off to your pet peeve? Sound off on our blog.

March 23, 2008 05:48PM
Registered:
01/21/2005

115 Posts

Wow my tip covers the taxes on the meal? I didn't know that. I wonder if waiters with this kind of attitudes understand that the customer may choose to eat out at a different restaurant.

March 23, 2008 07:14PM
Registered:
10/06/2005

849 Posts

I know that's what it sounded like she was saying, but what she meant was your tip covers her "phantom" tax on the $1.35 per hour that the IRS ASSUMES she's making. Waitpersons are assumed to be making at least minimum wage, though most aren't, because the Feds allow them a lower minimum because they earn tips. That's where her $3.00/hr comes in. So she has to earn at least $1.35 in tips each hour just to make the $4.35 that the IRS will be taxing her for whether she makes that or not. And remember, there's no guarantee that she'll have a customer every hour, either, so every dollar is very important to them.

October 24, 2010 02:55PM
Registered:
04/24/2010

5 Posts

I don't mind the minatory tip, but let us know, ... don't let us double tip, it totally sucks to find out later on that "we" double tip for such slow terrible service, the Waite staff suuuuucccckkkkkkssssssss[/b]

October 24, 2010 03:19PM
Registered:
02/10/2009

21 Posts

Not making enough an hour should be an issue with your employer not your customer.

October 24, 2010 09:42PM
avatar
Registered:
01/20/2005

565 Posts

i've not read all the responses, but i will after i post this.

i will no longer frequent shipwreck tavern because they placed an 18% tip on my bill without my permission. when i questioned it, i was told that the information was already given to me. it's on the menu in fine print, but i believe that the tip should be at the discretion of the diner.

i always have, and i always will. so, i make a choice on my own as to where i will dine. nobody forces me to tip, and the audacity to ask for an entire 18%.

was one of my favorite places, but no longer.

best to you,
anita.

"do the best that you can in the place where you are, and be kind."
--- scott nearing

October 24, 2010 10:59PM
Registered:
04/03/2008

859 Posts

"Is the gratuity included ?" - a simple question to ask these days.

Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login



St. John Feet Fins 4 Wheel Drive


$13.95

This is a complete, easy-to-use, fun, travel guide to exploring the trails, beaches and roads on St. John, Virgin Islands. It tells you exactly where to go, how to get there and what to do and see when you arrive.

Virgin Islands Newsletter Signup

Sign up now for our FREE Virgin Islands Now Newsletter and we will email you regular updates on what's happening in the Virgin Islands & on VInow.com. You can unsubscribe at any time. Simply fill in the form below.

CAPTCHA
×